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= What would you like to see on this wiki? =
= Direction of VdfWiki.com =


Feel free to discuss the purpose of this wiki on this page. You are also welcome to provide feedback on how you want this site to interact with other resources (e.g the newsgroups and vdf-guidance.com) --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 23:35, 25 November 2007 (CET)
This page is for discussing the direction of vdfwiki. Feel free to provide feedback here :) --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 21:00, 13 December 2007 (CET)


== Overall goal ==
== Overall goal ==


I think VdfWiki should be a place assemble knowledge and articles in the long term (in a structured manner).  
I think VdfWiki should be a place to assemble knowledge and articles in the long term (in a structured manner). [http://www.vdf-guidance.com vdf-guidance] should  be used for sharing projects and code.


There are some guidelines for keeping VdfWiki on the right track :[[VdfWiki_guidelines]]
There are some guidelines for keeping VdfWiki on the right track :[[VdfWiki_guidelines]]
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The newsgroups are still '''THE''' place to ask question and chat about current events.--[[User:Jka|Jka]] 08:28, 23 November 2007 (CET)
The newsgroups are still '''THE''' place to ask question and chat about current events.--[[User:Jka|Jka]] 08:28, 23 November 2007 (CET)


==Style Guide?==
== Feedback ==
===Common Editing Mistakes===
Something to watch for (and maybe warn against): I had occasion last night to move an article ([[Add Workspace Parameter]]) by [[User:Peter Brooks|Peter Brooks]] which he had put on the [[:Category:How To]] page; I moved it off onto its own page, but it is an easy mistake to make: just go to a Category and start editing. --[[User:Mikepeat|Mike]] 11:01, 5 December 2007 (CET)
 
 
 
 
== Wishes ==
===Style Guide?===
At the suggestion of [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] (what is that all about anyway, Matt? <g>) - see [[Talk:Web_Service_Basics]] - I have been changing the colour I am using to emphasise stuff - in this case (for now anyway) changing <span style="color:blue;">blue</span> to <span style="color:midnightblue;">midnightblue</span> to avoid confusion with hypertext links (I'm not sure that is enough - I think I've just made that text look like visited links).
At the suggestion of [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] (what is that all about anyway, Matt? <g>) - see [[Talk:Web_Service_Basics]] - I have been changing the colour I am using to emphasise stuff - in this case (for now anyway) changing <span style="color:blue;">blue</span> to <span style="color:midnightblue;">midnightblue</span> to avoid confusion with hypertext links (I'm not sure that is enough - I think I've just made that text look like visited links).


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== Namespaces ==
: [[VdfWiki_Administration#2008_Q2|A mediawiki plugin is on the way for source code formatting]]  --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 14:11, 31 March 2008 (CEST)
: We now have a plugin that renders vdf code (thanks to Torkild Resheim).  Check the "hello world" example below --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 19:41, 8 June 2008 (CEST)
 
<source lang="vdf">
Showln "hello world"
</source>
 
=== Namespaces ===
:Actually, namespaces require modification of the LocalSettings.php file on the server I think, so adding them is non-trivial (i.e. down to somebody with OS access to the server: Jacob, Johan or Sture, etc.) and thus they are a blunter and less flexible tool than Categories, but worth thinking about, in a background sort of way.
:Actually, namespaces require modification of the LocalSettings.php file on the server I think, so adding them is non-trivial (i.e. down to somebody with OS access to the server: Jacob, Johan or Sture, etc.) and thus they are a blunter and less flexible tool than Categories, but worth thinking about, in a background sort of way.


::Let's do some experimenting with namespaces when we have a backup copy of VDFWiki running on a separate machine.  --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 10:10, 6 December 2007 (CET)
::Let's do some experimenting with namespaces when we have a backup copy of VDFWiki running on a separate machine.  --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 10:10, 6 December 2007 (CET)
::The backup strategy is now in place. [[VdfWiki_Administration#2008_Q2|Namespaces support is scheduled for 2008 Q2]] --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 14:13, 31 March 2008 (CEST)
::Hmm.. I am trying to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok Grok] namespaces .  I take it that they will be great for integrating api descriptions  do you guys have some suggestions for other namespaces that are good here? Let's try to list them here. Oh yes. I'll extend the deadline on namespaces support in vdfwiki to Q3 so we can give it some more thought.  --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 19:52, 8 June 2008 (CEST)
'''good ideas for namespaces'''
*Class : pages about code classes
*Tutorial :
= Layout / Main Page =
I'm sure you've all noticed by now I've made a bit of a change to the front page.  It's more or less the same as before, just with a bit more information for users who are a bit new to the whole wiki thing.  What do you guys think? [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] 05:21, 5 December 2007 (CET)
:Looks good Matt... you might consider mentioning [[Special:Categories]] in addition to the [[Category Index]], and maybe adding the [[Category Index]] to the "navigation" pane (edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]).  ...And be careful who you say doesn't bite: '''''I''''' haven't had any coffee yet!  [[Image:Smile.gif]]
:I think we probably need a single person (oops: that would be you... ''sucker!'' You have only yourself to blame!) to head-up work on structure, accessibility, cross-indexing and the like. We have made a big step forward with Categories, giving us the three tools you mention: Structure, Search and Categories... ''now'' let's talk '''''namespaces!'''''
::Given that [[User:Hellboy1975|Matt]] has proclaimed himself 'category enforcer' - then I think he could lead the overall structure on the wiki ;) --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 11:45, 5 December 2007 (CET)
:::That's fine, I'm happy to take on the roll of structuring the site for now.  My first goal is to make the main page a bit more accessable, and then each of the main categories (Web, Windows, Character Mode, DD's and Development Tools).  I guess my plan with these pages at the moment is to make the more structures, in much the same way as the Main Page on Wikipedia [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] 00:25, 6 December 2007 (CET)
::::Take a look at [[Main_Page_1]] for a preview [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] 01:53, 6 December 2007 (CET)
:::::Like it Matt! ''Very'' nice. Keep up the good work!  --[[User:Mikepeat|Mike]] 09:54, 6 December 2007 (CET)
:::::Awesome effort :) You rock  --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 10:06, 6 December 2007 (CET)
:::::So... when are you going to make that live? I can't believe anybody is going to think we should ''not'' go with it... it is just a question of fleshing out some of those "wanted" links first IMO. --[[User:Mikepeat|Mike]] 10:22, 6 December 2007 (CET)
::::::Still got a couple of little things I want to do, mainly including some more info from the original main page.  All things going well sometime tomorrow or over the weekend. [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] 13:08, 6 December 2007 (CET)
:Main page change is now up, and am working on the Portal pages.  Feedback/suggestions on the main page always appreciated. [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] 12:04, 9 December 2007 (CET)
::Hey! And now all the Portals are extant! Well done Matt - a fine piece of work. I feel I just don't have to think about structure any more, 'cos you've got it covered. --[[User:Mikepeat|Mike]] 01:01, 11 December 2007 (CET)
::I like the new approach you have taken with the new "portals" - now it is more clear that they can act as "approaches" to going into vdfwiki.com with different mindsets. Given time - and more content on vdfwiki.com I think this will be a very effective way of handling the structure on this site. --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 20:46, 13 December 2007 (CET)




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===Opensource/community libraries===
I understand that there is a [[Data Access Worldwide|DAW]] community site in the works. please consider this when describing available available [[Open Source]] [[Visual DataFlex]] libraries. --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 00:49, 1 December 2007 (CET)
== Main Page ==
I'm sure you've all noticed by now I've made a bit of a change to the front page.  It's more or less the same as before, just with a bit more information for users who are a bit new to the whole wiki thing.  What do you guys think? [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] 05:21, 5 December 2007 (CET)
:Looks good Matt... you might consider mentioning [[Special:Categories]] in addition to the [[Category Index]], and maybe adding the [[Category Index]] to the "navigation" pane (edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]).  ...And be careful who you say doesn't bite: '''''I''''' haven't had any coffee yet!  [[Image:Smile.gif]]
:I think we probably need a single person (oops: that would be you... ''sucker!'' You have only yourself to blame!) to head-up work on structure, accessibility, cross-indexing and the like. We have made a big step forward with Categories, giving us the three tools you mention: Structure, Search and Categories... ''now'' let's talk '''''namespaces!'''''
::Given that [[User:Hellboy1975|Matt]] has proclaimed himself 'category enforcer' - then I think he could lead the overall structure on the wiki ;) --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 11:45, 5 December 2007 (CET)
:::That's fine, I'm happy to take on the roll of structuring the site for now.  My first goal is to make the main page a bit more accessable, and then each of the main categories (Web, Windows, Character Mode, DD's and Development Tools).  I guess my plan with these pages at the moment is to make the more structures, in much the same way as the Main Page on Wikipedia [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] 00:25, 6 December 2007 (CET)
::::Take a look at [[Main_Page_1]] for a preview [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] 01:53, 6 December 2007 (CET)


:::::Like it Matt! ''Very'' nice. Keep up the good work!  --[[User:Mikepeat|Mike]] 09:54, 6 December 2007 (CET)
:::::Awesome effort :) You rock  --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 10:06, 6 December 2007 (CET)
:::::So... when are you going to make that live? I can't believe anybody is going to think we should ''not'' go with it... it is just a question of fleshing out some of those "wanted" links first IMO. --[[User:Mikepeat|Mike]] 10:22, 6 December 2007 (CET)
::::::Still got a couple of little things I want to do, mainly including some more info from the original main page.  All things going well sometime tomorrow or over the weekend. [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] 13:08, 6 December 2007 (CET)


:Main page change is now up, and am working on the Portal pages.  Feedback/suggestions on the main page always appreciated. [[User:Hellboy1975|Hellboy1975]] 12:04, 9 December 2007 (CET)
::Hey! And now all the Portals are extant! Well done Matt - a fine piece of work. I feel I just don't have to think about structure any more, 'cos you've got it covered. --[[User:Mikepeat|Mike]] 01:01, 11 December 2007 (CET)
::I like the new approach you have taken with the new "portals" - now it is more clear that they can act as "approaches" to going into vdfwiki.com with different mindsets. Given time - and more content on vdfwiki.com I think this will be a very effective way of handling the structure on this site. --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 20:46, 13 December 2007 (CET)




= Technical / System =


==Backups==
==Backups==
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:::: I now have access to a backup ip with a rather cryptic password. Nobody but me will be able to remember that - so I suppose that adresss is just for me. But -hey! now we have a offsite backup - so if  our office is attacked by [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800069/plotsummary Flesh eating mutants] we will still have the data for VdfWiki! --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 10:00, 11 December 2007 (CET)
:::: I now have access to a backup ip with a rather cryptic password. Nobody but me will be able to remember that - so I suppose that adresss is just for me. But -hey! now we have a offsite backup - so if  our office is attacked by [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800069/plotsummary Flesh eating mutants] we will still have the data for VdfWiki! --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 10:00, 11 December 2007 (CET)


==Common Editing Mistakes==
:::: now the backup thing is done . [[VdfWiki_backup|Notes are available here ]]. I can send backup images to any ftp-server of choice - just email me with ftp account info if you want your server added to the list --[[User:Jka|Jka]] 14:19, 31 March 2008 (CEST)
Something to watch for (and maybe warn against): I had occasion last night to move an article ([[Add Workspace Parameter]]) by [[User:Peter Brooks|Peter Brooks]] which he had put on the [[:Category:How To]] page; I moved it off onto its own page, but it is an easy mistake to make: just go to a Category and start editing. --[[User:Mikepeat|Mike]] 11:01, 5 December 2007 (CET)
 


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